A Possible Solution, Don Barone's explanation of an enigma opties

[Ahatmose]

Hi all.

Very soon I hope to post an explanation of what I think is happening in the painting. Even though I have not got it all sorted yet I have great trouble living with what I perceive as secrets and am almost forced by my very nature to release them to everyone at large.

However before I do I have to say that without certain images by Raven and a certain image by an anonymous (for now because even I don't know his/her name) proof reader and a short English paragraph or two from the book Satan's song sent to me by Karl Hammer none of my "discoveries" would have been possible. I just took what they had found and maybe expanded it a bit to include some of what we are discussing here.

As I have oft times said and most truly believe that if I seem to see a bit further than some at times it is only because I am standing on the shoulders of, in most cases, unsung GIANTS !!!

Please be patient as I am now back to work after 10 glorious days off and I have just raked my leaves (property 75 x 100 feet and my arms are on fire and the pain indescribeable so I need to re-group.

Cheers
Don Barone.

[Raven]

Hey Don,

Good sport you mention your sources and the things that triggered you. It is exactly that, what made this forum big. Much appreciated and looking forward to your ideas. Feel free to publish away when you think the time is right.

With respect | Raven

[Ahatmose]

Hi Raven.

Okay let's begin !

Firstly for those who have not seen it I will post your (Raaf's) image:



Allow me to tell the tale on how I happened to come by this image well before I knew Raven or this board. Karl Hammer and I have exchanged emails for a while and in one of my emails I questioned the valdiity of my earlier "discoveries" at Giza and with Poussin and with The Celestine colour painting (which incidentally was supplied to me by Karl after I had searched for it for years.) and was just genearally in a very downcast mood. Karl after giving me some advice supplied the image by Raven and suggested that I study it and that it might jump start a new avenue of research (and of course it has !) Karl incidentally I believe had got it from this site ! For Karl to have suggested it to me, as I told Raven, it had to have some merit.

Okay what I saw it the image was intriguing. I vaguely remeber the overlay from The Holy Place by Lincoln read many years ago but what intrigued me more was the fact that it formed what appeared to be an accurate triangle with Paris in the middle. and then there was this brilliant insightfull post from "Claude" a wonderfully empathic and enlightened woman over at Graham's. This is what she had to add for me.

Author: Claude (198.164.4.---)
Date:  14-Oct-06 01:53

yes exactly Don -

Don't you remember the tomb of Marie de Blanchefort ?
the text in latin is the same only the names of the towns change

Interesting you rotated it to 108 degrees (108 = 9 actually)
I wasn't that precise and was content with 90 d to be able to read the text, lol........

Now keep in mind
SAE = Orleans
SIS = Rouen
then you have the Cross Pattee of the Templars
IN MEDIO LINIA UBI M SECAT means
the median line at the intersection point where the line cut
the longest side of the triangle
and that is in PARIS
LINEA PARVA (ubi M secat) = the point where the shortest side cut the longest side and that is REIMS
P.S. PRAECUM = part of the Templar's Treasure

Praecum is short for prae convm "Christ's Yeomen"
one of the name given to the Templars in 13 - 14 centuries

ref. out of print book of Robert Charroux "les tresors du Monde" issued in 1972 by les Editions Fayard.

Now in the RLC enigma there are 2 keys
the tomb of Marie de Blanchefort with the same text than this one
apart from the towns of course

and the stone of Coumesourde who disappeared...

So I guess the pic Karl gave you is just one of the 2 keys

So there it sat for the time being until the image of a certain proof reader, an image which by the way I had had in my possession for some time but had no idea what it meant or it's signficance, was explained to me in a short paragraph again sent to me AND ANDANTE after she mentioned to Karl Hammer that we had it.

In my next posting I will show you what Andante and I have seen and I am sure it will be of the utmsot interest to many of you. (Yes Karl you are right I just have to try and blow their minds ! You now know me better than I know myself )

And always being repeated over and over in my mind the words of Karl Hammer from his website: "Tom deliberately runs his investigation aground, and disappears. To camouflage the tracks of his investigation, he lays false trails full of misinformation. These trails were eventually picked up by the authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail. ... "


Best
Don Barone

[Raven]

Good start Don, great to see the picture and someone developing a theory around it. I can confirm Karl, or better, one of his critics here, gave me the idea to draw this picture. Gimme more gimme more!

[Ahatmose]

Hi Raaf ...

A good theory like a fine wine or a delciate bit of expensive chocolate has to be sipped or nibbled to appreciate it's beauty. More will be posted but I do like being a 'drama Queen" as some have labelled me. And besides anticipation is fun. And may I assure you and I guarantee that it is a very intersting and thought provoking journey we are about to take.

cheers
Don Barone

[andante]

So there it sat for the time being until the image of a certain proof reader, an image which by the way I had had in my possession for some time but had no idea what it meant or it's signficance, was explained to me in a short paragraph again sent to me AND ANDANTE after she mentioned to Karl Hammer that we had it.

Oh, Don, I knew you couldn't keep it all to yourself for too long . But yes, all this is true. Don and I had access to an early edition of the Satan's song website. That's where we found the image in question, Don remembered to save it to his computer which I omitted to do. Then I forgot about it for a while - until I saw the image created by Raaf and it reminded me of the one from the Satan's song site. I asked Karl about this picture and although he was surprised we'd seen it (the image was there only for a very short period of time) he did suggest we post it here. However, we are not sure who really owns the copyright and that's what needs to be clarified first. Don, over to you

[Raven]

The plot thickens..

[Raven]

Don't you remember the tomb of Marie de Blanchefort ?
the text in latin is the same only the names of the towns change

Interesting you rotated it to 108 degrees (108 = 9 actually)
I wasn't that precise and was content with 90 d to be able to read the text, lol........

Now keep in mind
SAE = Orleans
SIS = Rouen
then you have the Cross Pattee of the Templars
IN MEDIO LINIA UBI M SECAT means
the median line at the intersection point where the line cut
the longest side of the triangle
and that is in PARIS
LINEA PARVA (ubi M secat) = the point where the shortest side cut the longest side and that is REIMS
P.S. PRAECUM = part of the Templar's Treasure

Praecum is short for prae convm "Christ's Yeomen"
one of the name given to the Templars in 13 - 14 centuries

ref. out of print book of Robert Charroux "les tresors du Monde" issued in 1972 by les Editions Fayard.

Now in the RLC enigma there are 2 keys
the tomb of Marie de Blanchefort with the same text than this one
apart from the towns of course

and the stone of Coumesourde who disappeared...

So I guess the pic Karl gave you is just one of the 2 keys

Something is dawning upon me here
Bloody hell..

[l1zardk1ng]

Interesting you rotated it to 108 degrees (108 = 9 actually)

also to think about 108-36=72 being a hint of knowledge of precession, hidden in a.o. the pentagram

[Ahatmose]

Hi all.

Now that we have a few geers in motion it is time to post THE IMAGE ! But before I do please another disclaimer. THIS IMAGE IS NOT MINE ! It was found by me (and andante) on Karl Hammers old version of Satan's song long before anyone was supposed to know it was on the internet. Full marks to andante for backtracking an image posted by Karl on another forum to get to it's source. The image according to Karl Hammer, who was very surprised we had it, was left on the site by a proof reader of the book who was obviously trying to solve the mystery. I TAKE NO CREDIT WHATSOEVER FOR WHAT IS ON IT ! In fact for months I stared at it totally unaware of what it contained. Only after Karl sent myself and andante a passage from his book, just a week or so ago did it finally become clear to me. I sincerely hope that this mystery proof reader will step forward on this forum, take credit for his insite and join us as we narrow in on our goal. So here is an image as insiteful and as brilliant as any I have yet come across. According to Karl, Tom R. the hero of his story was the first to recognize this. I have to assume that this proof reader duplicated what Tom R. had done. Regardless I have included an "Image copyright" overlay ghost in the background since I do not want this image to go out as anyone else's but who made it.

And now the image and as you look at it and the bells and sirens start sounding and many things begin to make sense to you I may not need to post anymore. We shall see for it is in a way very self explanatory and it should be very clear to many of you.

The Proof Reader's Image:



Enjoy !

Best Wishes
Don Barone

[Vilain]

O Don , Grace to Karl Hammer and Tom R. !!!!!!

And thanks to you and Andante to give us thiss treasure . It surely may not claimed and used by anyone else . I am very gratefull !!!
With great respect,

Love, Maria

[Ahatmose]

Hi Maria and Raven and Julia (who has seen it by now) et al:

This evening I have stumbled onto an astonishing discovery. It is literally for me overwhelming. I am really unsure how to approach the release of this as it is really and truly mind blowing,. I have sent it on to andante who has followed this journey of mine for a couple of years. I need to hear what she thinks I should do with it. Also I need her opinion if what my eyes tell me is true. It is going to I think blow this thing wide open. However as in all things it may be just one giant co-incidence but I doubt it very much. I can't wait to show you guys. it is absolutely neat, simple, clean and absolutely mind blowing. I still can't believe I found it. I am actually trembling.

Best
Don Barone

[Raven]

Dear Don,

Highly original take! Naturally we will acknowledge the copyrights.

I have taken the liberty to play with the pic a little bit, just to see where it would lead. I mapped the Ghent Altar Piece with the same lines on a map of France how it looked in 1495. I am not fully convinced yet. The top of the Utrecht church and the alabaster jar seem good enough references, however, in the picture from Karl's website the panel on the right has been glued to the main panel displaying the lamb. Would Van Eyck have taken that into account? What do you think?

[CR=10]

Wat angle are we using?
13-14º?

This stuff is really mindblowing! I will experiment on it also.

[CR=10]

Just a quick thought and then I'll be silent then for a bit to figure it out... but why is there no line going up to Jozef van Arimathea (the man with the cap on the panel of the judge judges), the person who took the arma christi somewhere?

It seems I'm killing two flies with one question (dutch expression):
a. the relation with the stolen panel
b. a relation with Jozef van Arimathea